Glasgow City Council plans to address the very visible connections to slavery legacy in streets, statues, and public space.
How do you think the city can best achieve this? Some examples are listed, please include any other ideas.
Why is this even being discussed . The people of Glasgow want our pot holes repaired , our bins emptied regularly , our council tax used for better reasons than talking about the slave trade , yes educate our children , but not about changing their sex when they are still immature , but start with reinstating the Lord’s prayer , first thing in the morning . Help our children to understand what slavery was , but don’t start tearing down statues and street names , to suit your agenda.
We, as a city and society, need to learn about Glasgow’s involvement in transatlantic slavery. It should be a part of school curriculum to learn about the historical ties of slavery and having QR codes on links to slavery and colonialism around the city would give people the opportunity to learn this history.
By understanding these ties, we, as a city, can make informed decisions about what should be done with statues and street names.
There is no need for any action. This is divisive politics, stirring up problems resolved a long time ago. It's not the job of government to interpret history, and plaques and codes are blunt instruments for a complicated job. I'm sure the city has many real problems affecting real people today that public resources can be much better directed toward.
I think the priority is educating the public about the history of Glasgow’s connection to the transatlantic slave trade. It is essential that this is done properly using sound historical analysis which should be based on proper academic research. This is a serious issue and should not be trivialised by superficial headline grabbing statements. Teaching materials should be developed for children and adults at appropriate levels. I cannot emphasise how important it is to avoid publicity stunts. That does nothing to promote cultural exchange , community cohesion and mutual respect. The culprits need to be named by all means. However, this process got off to a very bad start with the distorted coverage of the role of historical figures particularly David Livingstone - for being a child labourer in a cotton mill ! This approach is deeply unhelpful and counterproductive and needs to be avoided in future to give this important process credibility
Why?
Unironically, why?
What will be gained from brow beating the people of Glasgow for the activities of the wealthy 200 years ago? What will be gained from wasting public money on a divisive and inevitably vapid and propagandist trashing of the city's statues and street names? No person alive today had any direct involvement in the TAST, everyone (almost) agrees that slavery is wrong and abhorrent. So what purpose does this serve except to platform and finance the race grifters who want to see racial tensions and divisions for their own personal gain?
We already provide education, the whole purpose of this project is to hyper focus on very selective aspects of the TAST and how horrible Glasgow is for its involvement. The wording of the questions in this "discussion" alone are a testament to that. Anyone with a shred of intellectual integrity can see that.
How does dredging up the actions of very wealthy people 200 years ago improve peoples lives today? How will it reduce racism today?
It wont, it will only antagonise and reinforce the victim mentality of certain political ideologies. This is an extremely divisive project that will only drive animosity and racial tension, all for the personal gain of race grifters, its repugnant. Glasgow has many real issues, today, that could have had this funding, effort and time spent on them, THAT would improve peoples lives. Not this.
Glasgow city centre is filled with statues of men men who we would now consider to have been implicated in crimes against humanity, and city's central streets are named after them. This is a huge stain on our city. There is an opportunity also to extend the review beyond racial diversity. Women are also very poorly served by Glasgow place names and statues. A mere handful that exist in Glasgow place names. (Even fewer we exclude the names of saints, and members of the royal family and the aristocracy). It may take a long time to do this, but Glasgow should show willingness to honour the wide range of its citizens, and not just a few very wealthy men, many of whom derived their money from the dehamanisation of others. The statues, streets and public places names after these men are a very visible connection to slavery, and not one Glaswegians should want to perpetuate.
Our city is beautiful and has a history represented by these statutes. We can’t just ignore it, educate people by putting up plaques and making knowledge key.
To what end? What would be gained? A vast sum of public funds will be fed to race grifters who want to see racial division and tension... for what? No one alive today had any involvement in the TAST. There are no scalps to be had here, no justice to be sought, no reason for this divisive process.
Why is this even being discussed . The people of Glasgow want our pot holes repaired , our bins emptied regularly , our council tax used for better reasons than talking about the slave trade , yes educate our children , but not about changing their sex when they are still immature , but start with reinstating the Lord’s prayer , first thing in the morning . Help our children to understand what slavery was , but don’t start tearing down statues and street names , to suit your agenda.
Leave well alone. This is the HISTORY of our precious city not a political football.
We, as a city and society, need to learn about Glasgow’s involvement in transatlantic slavery. It should be a part of school curriculum to learn about the historical ties of slavery and having QR codes on links to slavery and colonialism around the city would give people the opportunity to learn this history.
By understanding these ties, we, as a city, can make informed decisions about what should be done with statues and street names.
There is no need for any action. This is divisive politics, stirring up problems resolved a long time ago. It's not the job of government to interpret history, and plaques and codes are blunt instruments for a complicated job. I'm sure the city has many real problems affecting real people today that public resources can be much better directed toward.
I think the priority is educating the public about the history of Glasgow’s connection to the transatlantic slave trade. It is essential that this is done properly using sound historical analysis which should be based on proper academic research. This is a serious issue and should not be trivialised by superficial headline grabbing statements. Teaching materials should be developed for children and adults at appropriate levels. I cannot emphasise how important it is to avoid publicity stunts. That does nothing to promote cultural exchange , community cohesion and mutual respect. The culprits need to be named by all means. However, this process got off to a very bad start with the distorted coverage of the role of historical figures particularly David Livingstone - for being a child labourer in a cotton mill ! This approach is deeply unhelpful and counterproductive and needs to be avoided in future to give this important process credibility
Why?
Unironically, why?
What will be gained from brow beating the people of Glasgow for the activities of the wealthy 200 years ago? What will be gained from wasting public money on a divisive and inevitably vapid and propagandist trashing of the city's statues and street names? No person alive today had any direct involvement in the TAST, everyone (almost) agrees that slavery is wrong and abhorrent. So what purpose does this serve except to platform and finance the race grifters who want to see racial tensions and divisions for their own personal gain?
Providing education is brow beating?
Calling out racism is not grifting, its abut trying to improve people's lives.
We already provide education, the whole purpose of this project is to hyper focus on very selective aspects of the TAST and how horrible Glasgow is for its involvement. The wording of the questions in this "discussion" alone are a testament to that. Anyone with a shred of intellectual integrity can see that.
How does dredging up the actions of very wealthy people 200 years ago improve peoples lives today? How will it reduce racism today?
It wont, it will only antagonise and reinforce the victim mentality of certain political ideologies. This is an extremely divisive project that will only drive animosity and racial tension, all for the personal gain of race grifters, its repugnant. Glasgow has many real issues, today, that could have had this funding, effort and time spent on them, THAT would improve peoples lives. Not this.
Glasgow city centre is filled with statues of men men who we would now consider to have been implicated in crimes against humanity, and city's central streets are named after them. This is a huge stain on our city. There is an opportunity also to extend the review beyond racial diversity. Women are also very poorly served by Glasgow place names and statues. A mere handful that exist in Glasgow place names. (Even fewer we exclude the names of saints, and members of the royal family and the aristocracy). It may take a long time to do this, but Glasgow should show willingness to honour the wide range of its citizens, and not just a few very wealthy men, many of whom derived their money from the dehamanisation of others. The statues, streets and public places names after these men are a very visible connection to slavery, and not one Glaswegians should want to perpetuate.
Dripping in misandry.
Our city is beautiful and has a history represented by these statutes. We can’t just ignore it, educate people by putting up plaques and making knowledge key.
Removal, renaming and education in schools.
To what end? What would be gained? A vast sum of public funds will be fed to race grifters who want to see racial division and tension... for what? No one alive today had any involvement in the TAST. There are no scalps to be had here, no justice to be sought, no reason for this divisive process.
Contextualised information is essential in order to avoid demonising current and future generations of Glaswegians.